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regional misplacement
[edit]hello, i see that turkey is placed under 'middle east' while the united nations tourism organization and european tourism comission is placing turkey under europe. since this site is 'wikivoyage' and not 'wikipedia', the deciding factor should be the international organizations, not our perceptions. 83.9.121.225 13:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's not a misplacement, but a choice. The tourism organisations' classifications don't have much weight here. What other merit is there in changing our classification? Some arguments for not including Turkey in Europe are discussed above in #Asia or Europe. –LPfi (talk) 14:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
those 'tourism organizations' are 'united nations' and the 'european union'. namely the most prominent organizations around the world. also, i would say that the discussion above is not decisively consensus-ed. i would really like to have a fruitful discussion with the culture being the main topic.
i would like to start it by arguing that the modern turkish culture (late-ottoman and turkey) and history is actually much more aligned with balkans rather than middle east. especially with the majority of the population. if you and more people would like to join, i'll provide further points regarding my argument :) 83.9.121.225 20:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Feel free, but I really don't think you are going to convince people to change this. And what international organizations think is not a relevant consideration for a travel guide. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:47, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
i am taking this issue to Talk:Middle East for a broader conversation. please feel free to join. 83.9.121.225 20:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Banner Replacement
[edit]Hi there. The current banner is just awfully oriental-centric, small spectrum representation for a country which encompasses many many cultures within. I suggest its replacement. 83.9.116.119 01:00, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have any proposed suggestions? Files have to be on Wikimedia Commons. --SHB (t | c | m) 01:05, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
It's not as focused as the current banner, but it's a nice panorama, and if you feel like it represents the entire country better than the current banner, I'd be fine with it. Let's see what other people think, though, and what about the idea of something else possibly representing the entire country better? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:42, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
I've accumulated enough candidates I assume. Guess we can proceed with selection. Dudewithafez (talk) 19:53, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
- Excellent choices. My favorites are Options B and C. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 21:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
I weigh on either C or E. Dudewithafez (talk) 00:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- OK, in terms of pure interest, E wins out, but several other banners have better focus. Of those, my preferences are B by a considerable margin, then C and then the current banner, which is a really great one and should be used somewhere (maybe an Istanbul district article). A is a bit fuzzy and D may be too unfocused. Now, if you all prefer not to have an Istanbul banner representing Turkey, I think E might be best. C would be my second choice of a non-Istanbul banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:30, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- My preferences in order are C, B, current banner, E then distantly D. A isn't even on the cards. --SHB (t | c | m) 01:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
Candidates
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Türkiye
[edit]Its official name is Türkiye. the ethnic name. We shouldnt name it Turkey just because most people call it that. Its real name is Türkiye not TURKEY! Maroontruths (talk) 19:04, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
- Read Wikivoyage:Naming conventions. We call it by the name most used in English, and you just gave a powerful argument that that name is still Turkey. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:14, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
- I do think we should make the change at this stage. Wikipedia has been a holdout on the issue, but most of the internet is moving to the new name, including Google Maps, the country's own travel website aimed at tourists, the UN, Lonely Planet, and even a certain other travel site. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 19:25, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
- Come on, you think the name with the umlaut is the name most used in English? Please. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
- Its used by The UN, Google, The own country and majority of the internet. Maroontruths (talk) 20:22, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
- And? That's not our basis for determining which name to use. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:51, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Its used by The UN, Google, The own country and majority of the internet. Maroontruths (talk) 20:22, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
- I think it's probs worth revisiting in another few years but I think atp Turkey is still the more used name – I'm not sure how long this will last, though, or if Türkiye ever takes on because of the umlaut. //shb (t | c | m) 22:36, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- It's possible, but just like Myanmar, English-speakers would continue to absolutely butcher the pronunciation. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:14, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
- Come on, you think the name with the umlaut is the name most used in English? Please. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
Updating.
[edit]Current list of the cities and locations are a bit off in terms of notability and regional diversity. I am updating some of them along with descriptions. I noticed that other pages having an interactive map so adding that one too. ~2025-27966-92 (talk) 18:35, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
- No. You can't do these things without consensus. Propose a new lineup of cities, explain why, and try to get a consensus behind you. And nix on dynamic maps for countries. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:58, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
Ok then I am suggesting a consensus on my list. For example, Sümela leads to Trabzon with rediection so effectively Trabzon is mentioned twice! Or, Bodrum and Ölüdeniz are side-by-side. Or, Antep is a much bigger cultural hub than nearby Urfa in terms of basically everything. The current list is not well curated in terms of notability and diversity... Dynamic maps are present in examples like: Greece and Germany. Is there a ban on them? I didin't know... {{subst:~2025-27966-92}}
- Please sign your posts on talk pages by adding 4 tildes (~) in a row at the end. Wait for others to comment on your proposed substitutions. Discussion may last a week or longer. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:48, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- and, please, read policy: WV:Map and WV:Consensus. Consensus means, you propose a change, you convince your fellow editors the change is a good one, they vote for it, and implement it or not. This is how you "propose a consensus". Ibaman (talk) 12:23, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
Ok then let's vote on it! As explained, the current list is just too bland and clustered within. I suggest a wider and proper representation. One 'Aye' from me!~2025-27966-92 (talk) 16:23, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- I suggest that you post a summary and link to this thread on the Requests for comment page. Also, note that a 1-0 vote is not a consensus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:17, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
- Why don't you guys hop on in then? ~2025-30107-77 (talk) 22:15, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- kindly explain precisely what kind of changes you mean, such as "I don't like Trabzon on the list, Samsun would be better, because of this and that". Then we'll have something to debate and vote on. Ibaman (talk) 23:57, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- There is no liking or not liking, friend. Every inch of the country is like-able!
- As mentioned, the current list is too clustered and includes redirections to places which are already listed whereas the new list is more curated in terms of notability and tourism, increasing the coverage. Put them side by side and you will most certainly see it for yourself... ~2025-32581-55 (talk) 13:48, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- I am still not clear what changes you are proposing. Please explain them here. That would help the discussion move forward. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 14:08, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- yes, by now, we all know that you don't like the "current list". It would be nice if you presented your "new list", so we can "put them side by side" and make decisions. It would be even nicer if you presented your reasons why we should prefer "your new list" over the "current list". Ibaman (talk) 18:00, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- I am still not clear what changes you are proposing. Please explain them here. That would help the discussion move forward. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 14:08, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- kindly explain precisely what kind of changes you mean, such as "I don't like Trabzon on the list, Samsun would be better, because of this and that". Then we'll have something to debate and vote on. Ibaman (talk) 23:57, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Why don't you guys hop on in then? ~2025-30107-77 (talk) 22:15, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
Very well then! Bodrum is not a city - it is to be moved to the second section. Bursa is much more notable than Edirne and it also includes already mentioned Uludağ. Antep is a gastro-center and much bigger than nearby Urf. And lastly, adding Van for representing the eastern regions.
Replacing Gallipoli with Troy which is massively more of a tourism hotspot while still mentioning Gallipoli neverthless. Replacing Ölüdeniz with Mardin since Bodrum is closeby to Ölüdeniz and it is merely just a beach whilst Mardin is a whole town. Lastly replacing Sümela (which is a redirect to Trabzon) with Safranbolu, since Sümela is just a building while Safranbolu is a very touristic town with immersive traditional architecture.
As you can now see for yourself, my list actually still includes most of the old points of interest whilst expanding the coverage throughout all regions... -- Unsigned contribution by ~2025-34598-8
Current
[edit]Cities
[edit]- 1 Ankara — the capital of Turkey and its second largest city
- 2 Antalya — the fastest growing city, hub to an array of beach resorts
- 3 Bodrum — a trendy coastal town in Southern Aegean which turns into a crowded city in season when it serves as a playground for Turkish and international holidaymakers alike, featuring a citadel, Roman ruins, trendy clubs and a number of villages surrounding the peninsula each with a different character from classy to rustic
- 4 Edirne — the second capital of the Ottoman Empire
- 5 Istanbul — Turkey's largest city, the former capital of both the Ottoman and Byzantine Empires, and the only major city in the world to straddle two continents
- 6 Izmir — Turkey's third largest city, hub to an array of beach resorts
- 7 Konya — a quite large city that is the heartland of mystic Sufi order, the site of Rumi's tomb, and with some elegant Seljuq architecture, all surrounded by vast steppes
- 8 Trabzon — the wonderful Sumela Monastery is just outside the city and it is a great gateway to exploring the Turkish Northeast
- 9 Urfa — a city with beautiful architecture and extremely friendly locals at the gates of Eastern World; where Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic, and Assyrian cultures mingle
Other destinations
[edit]- 1 Ani — the impressive ruins of the medieval Armenian capital, known as the city of a thousand churches
- 2 Cappadocia — an area in the central highlands best known for its unique moon-like landscape (the "fairy chimneys"), underground cities, cave churches and houses carved in the rocks
- 3 Ephesus — the well-preserved ruins of a Graeco-Roman city on the west coast
- 4 Gallipoli — the site of the 1915 Anzac landing and many WWI memorials
- 5 Mount Nemrut — a UNESCO World Heritage site with ancient statues on its summit, affording a great panorama of its rugged surroundings
- 6 Ölüdeniz — the incomparable postcard beauty of the "Blue Lagoon", perhaps the most iconic beach of Turkey
- 7 Pamukkale — "the Cotton Castle", a white world of travertines cascading down in a series of shallow pools filled with thermal waters
- 8 Sümela — a stunning monastery clinging on cliffs; a must-see on any trip to the northeast
- 9 Uludağ — a national park featuring school textbook belts of different types of forests varying with altitude, and the major winter sports resort of the country
Curated
[edit]Cities
[edit]- 10 Ankara – The modern capital of Turkey, home to government institutions, Atatürk’s mausoleum, and a growing cultural scene.
- 11 Antalya – A major Mediterranean resort city with a charming old town, beaches, and easy access to ancient Lycian and Pamphylian sites.
- 12 Bursa – The first Ottoman capital, known for its green parks, historic mosques, and Mount Uludağ ski slopes.
- 13 Gaziantep – One of the world’s oldest continuously inhabited cities, celebrated for its gastronomy and well-preserved Zeugma mosaics.
- 14 Istanbul – The country’s largest and most historic city, straddling Europe and Asia with Byzantine, Ottoman, and modern treasures.
- 15 Izmir – A cosmopolitan Aegean port with a liberal atmosphere, seaside promenades, and nearby ancient sites.
- 16 Konya – the heartland of mystic Sufi order, the site of Rumi's tomb, Whirling Dervishes, and with some elegant Seljuq architecture, all surrounded by endless steppes
- 17 Trabzon – A Black Sea hub with Byzantine roots, lush landscapes, and access to Sümela Monastery.
- 18 Van – Eastern Turkey’s lake city, known for its mixed heritage and unique breakfast culture.
Other destinations
[edit]- 10 Ani – the impressive ruins of the medieval Armenian capital, known as the city of a thousand churches
- 11 Bodrum – a trendy coastal town in Southern Aegean which turns into a crowded city in season when it serves as a playground for Turkish and international holidaymakers alike, with beaches, nightlife, and remnants of the ancient Halicarnassus.
- 12 Cappadocia – an area in the central highlands best known for its unique moon-like landscape (the "fairy chimneys"), underground cities, cave churches and houses carved in the rocks. Best seen from a hot-air balloon.
- 13 Ephesus – One of the best-preserved classical cities of the ancient world, famous for its Library of Celsus and vast theatre.
- 14 Mardin – A hilltop city of golden-stone houses overlooking Mesopotamia, noted for its Syriac Christian monasteries.
- 15 Mount Nemrut – A remote mountain crowned by colossal stone heads built by King Antiochus I of Commagene.
- 16 Pamukkale – a white world of travertines cascading down in a series of shallow pools filled with thermal waters in the ancient spa city of Hierapolis.
- 17 Safranbolu – A beautifully preserved Ottoman town and UNESCO site known for timbered houses and saffron trade.
- 18 Troy – The legendary site of Homer’s Iliad, with archaeological layers spanning millennia of settlement. Gallipoli, the site of the 1915 Anzac landing and many WWI memorials, facing it across the other side.
- An immediate problem is that cities/towns, etc. cannot be "Other destinations". The entire point of the designation is that these are places to visit that are not cities but, for example, islands, parks, mountains, ruins, monastery complexes, big castles, ski areas, etc. Also, it doesn't matter to visitors whether Bodrum is officially a city or not, only whether it's one of the 9 most important or interesting inhabited places to visit, and I'd note that the Bodrum article states that "in 2020 the Bodrum metropolis had a population of almost 182,000." Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:14, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, ~2025-34598-8, for explaining your proposed changes. That really helps to move the discussion along. I agree with these changes, except for Bodrum, Mardin, and Safranbolu, for the reason explained by Ikan Kekek. The other changes are improvements over what we have now. Ground Zero (talk) 22:31, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- How about we go with Turkish Riviera instead of Bodrum - where we can mention Bodrum, the Lycian Way and Ölüdeniz alike. Göbeklitepe instead of Mardin, recommended below. Lastly, maybe Lakes District to replace Safranbolu? ~2025-37251-14 (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- You're talking about having those in "Other destinations", right? I haven't been expressing any opinions on which specific cities and bona fide other destinations should be listed, because I haven't visited Turkey yet, but I'll just say that regions not included in the regular WV:Breadcrumb navigation on this site should be fine to use in Other destinations if people agree on the specifics. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:34, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- How about we go with Turkish Riviera instead of Bodrum - where we can mention Bodrum, the Lycian Way and Ölüdeniz alike. Göbeklitepe instead of Mardin, recommended below. Lastly, maybe Lakes District to replace Safranbolu? ~2025-37251-14 (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- The suggestion definitely has some improvements but I really want to keep Urfa and mention Göbekli Tepe perhaps in the description of Urfa.
- Perhaps the Bodrum description could be shortened - is it really still trendy? Chidgk1 (talk) 12:06, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Bodrum is 'the' place in Turkey so it will always be trendy. It is basically asking whether if Venice is still trendy. We can defintely put Göbeklitepe in that list! ~2025-37251-14 (talk) 17:25, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, ~2025-34598-8, for explaining your proposed changes. That really helps to move the discussion along. I agree with these changes, except for Bodrum, Mardin, and Safranbolu, for the reason explained by Ikan Kekek. The other changes are improvements over what we have now. Ground Zero (talk) 22:31, 18 November 2025 (UTC)